Child Labor

[Recoil]

I said Hitler president -_- Lol. Doesn't make a difference. They'd both be great. I agree with everything they both say.

[Sean]

I don't know where the topic has gone to. :x

This sounds weird, but I think that would attract more younger people to buy their shoes. They'd see their peers making the shoes, so they'd want to buy them. It's just like alcohol advertising. It would help their company if anything.

Well, I can see where you are going. But think about it, if they the companies sell at the price they do now, the kids won't be able to afford the shoes simply as a result of the low pay. But in actuality they wouldn't be buying them in the first place, their parents would be or most likely would be. So the company wouldn't get very far if they showed children working on the product.

Now, I do understand that commercials (if that was what you were implying) do to an extent, specifically target younger children for their shoes. e.g Light up shoes. But they also have to appeal to the buyers as well. e.g The parents. Which you guys most likely knew.

To go a little of topic: The other day it caught my attention that there are laws, in Florida, preventing teenagers from working full-time (20+ hours a week), but nothing restricting volunteer hour consumption. o.O

I never thought of that :o The only problem with that is cost. But then again - if child labor was allowed, we could fund for things such as this.

We have to keep young children in SCHOOL!!! Otherwise they will become unfortunately wage-slaves.

[Kryptonite]

To go a little of topic: The other day it caught my attention that there are laws, in Florida, preventing teenagers from working full-time (20+ hours a week), but nothing restricting volunteer hour consumption. o.O

That sounds like Florida supporting slavery to me.

We have to keep young children in SCHOOL!!! Otherwise they will become unfortunately wage-slaves.

They could work outside of school hours too.

[Mia]

I thought the topic was about being in labour.  If so, it's painful as F*ckshizzles.   LOL


But i don't like it at all :( but if you really think about it.. we're all labors.

[Dug]

Quick solution, Make no-one in the world work, and give everyone a billion dollars.

[Recoil]

Lol, I was trolling this whole topic, I don't actually support these things.

[Kryptonite]

Quick solution, Make no-one in the world work, and give everyone a billion dollars.

AKA communist world! I love it!

[Recoil]

Hitler! Kony! Screw the women! Child labor!

[Sean]

Quick solution, Make no-one in the world work, and give everyone a billion dollars.

No need for money. A practicable solution which could result in world peace. The Zeitgeist Movement. All we would need. A resource-based economy.

[Recoil]

Okay, now that I'm done trolling, I'll give my real thoughts a go.

And no, I don't agree on a communist world, simply because no one is rewarded or punished for their actions. You could have someone who is the stupidest, laziest, most annoying person around be at the same level as Richard Dawkins or Albert Einstein, people who are geniuses and deserve to be at the top. It's shadowing people's skills. No one gets to shine. Communism is basically WorldScape right now, everyone has everything. And how has that worked out? A lot of controversy, not as smooth as you'd think. You also can't just "give people billions", because then billions would no longer be worth anything; everyone has it.

Nor do I support the Zeitgeist Movement, because there'd be no way to put value to anything. Possible situation:

Person 1: Hey, I'll buy your house for my car!
Person 2: No way! My house is way more.
Person 1: Prove it!
Person 2: Ehh...

Even though common sense can periodically come into play, there's no real way to say "hey, this is _ more valuable than this". Having that basis for currency is what we rely on, and even though yes, it causes people to go money drunk, it keeps people within reality. You also have the problem of jobs.. Instead of 15 dollars an hour, what would you get? Two loaves of bread an hour? That's stupid, because your pay would be inconsistent, and bosses would have to be super trustworthy to pay their employees valuable items every time they pay. I just don't see any of these. Not trying to sound ignorant or arrogant, but I think democracies work the most fluently and safely, have everyone vote for a leader that may be impeached at any time.

And as far as child labor goes, no I had no paper to write. I also think it's wrong unless the kids want to do it, the shit that pisses me off is organizations that try to prevent kids from working that want to work for money to "protect them". They (almost) piss me off more than Creationalists.. But let's not bring religion into this.

[Kryptonite]

I agree with you. Although womens rights = still a joke.

[Recoil]

I agree with you. Although womens rights = still a joke.

;)

[Sean]

@Recoil

Nor do I support the Zeitgeist Movement, because there'd be no way to put value to anything. Possible situation:

Person 1: Hey, I'll buy your house for my car!
Person 2: No way! My house is way more.
Person 1: Prove it!
Person 2: Ehh...

Even though common sense can periodically come into play, there's no real way to say "hey, this is _ more valuable than this". Having that basis for currency is what we rely on, and even though yes, it causes people to go money drunk, it keeps people within reality. You also have the problem of jobs.. Instead of 15 dollars an hour, what would you get? Two loaves of bread an hour? That's stupid, because your pay would be inconsistent, and bosses would have to be super trustworthy to pay their employees valuable items every time they pay. I just don't see any of these. Not trying to sound ignorant or arrogant, but I think democracies work the most fluently and safely, have everyone vote for a leader that may be impeached at any time.

The Zeitgeist Movement is a very fascinating thing to think about. If more and more people explore the possibilities it could bring, things may change.

Now the Zeitgeist Movement does not support labor to stay alive, all the food and goods will be free of charge. Although, it does not exclude labor all together. The Zeitgeist Movement puts quite a bit of emphasis on automated labor, so you wouldn't be working to survive (everything will be provided by each other) you would be working to advance civilization. Don't get me wrong, someone will have to design the machines, but automated labor would replace the people building the machines which build the machines, which build the infrastructure.

Another part of the Zeitgeist Movement is to increase the knowledge of every individual there is so we can work together to create even more advanced technology, which in return will help us survive as a species. Monetary compensation would not be relevant and thus the practice of it (learning an ability to make money e.g A Marketing Agent) would be irrelevant.

And as far as child labor goes, no I had no paper to write. I also think it's wrong unless the kids want to do it, the shit that pisses me off is organizations that try to prevent kids from working that want to work for money to "protect them". They (almost) piss me off more than Creationalists.. But let's not bring religion into this.

Child labor would be abolished as the child's main goal would be to learn, not to survive. Now there are a lot of reasons a child or children would be stuck in the position of thriving to be safe, or to be "protected". I can't even begin to roll out the possibilities of the situation(s), but in a world of thriving methodically enriched people, these types of social problems would most likely be wrapped up.

[Recoil]

I'd be fine with the Zeitgeist Movement as long as intelligence in individuals would stick out. Not saying it wouldn't I'm just saying I wouldn't want it to be so much as a communism. Like I said, I'm fine with the idea that everyone has access to the same resources to make all of us equal in terms of survival, but in terms of learning I think people should somehow be rewarded for discovering vast ideologies. Think about it. Would people like Steve Jobs done what they did if there would be no prize? Sure satisfaction would be tremendous, but I'm sure some of his motivation was the money aspect. If we take that away, then inventions like that may never even come about in the first place. That is my only worry. I believe every person should have a civil place to live and be supplied with resources necessary to survive. I just don't want individual skill being shadowed, and people to get lazy because they're assured things needed to survive, know what I mean? So if not in currency, how can we motivate intelligence? If there's a way to in the Zeitgeist Movement then I'm all for it. But I also think a lot of it has to do with early life. I just saw the movie "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close". It kind of woke me up to the essence of life. It was about this kid that lost his dad to 9/11. He was genius in the movie (and in real life, he's like 12 and speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese).. He displayed mass curiosity for the discovery of this in the world. I think if everyone was raised that the goal of life should be to discover life itself, then the contributions to life would be so tremendous we'd all have genius IQs. (Side note: Did you know there are more people in China with genius IQs then there is America's entire population? Incredible.) So, bottom line: How do we motivate that strive for excellence? How do we get people from saying "f*ck it, I'll do what I want" to say "I want to contribute and discover life as much as possible"? Right now, that is done by the temptation of money. It (somewhat) works, however many flaws have come about; robbery, inheritance (making no work needed if you get enough money), and greed. That's the thing I like about this movement, is it's not the luxury of survival that's given, it's the teamwork and education. But there has to be something, some goal to get to... to intensely motivate people to make good decisions and have their curiosity lead to discovery.

Anyhow, pretty deep shit right there, lemme know what you think. 

[Dug]

So, bottom line: How do we motivate that strive for excellence? How do we get people from saying "f*ck it, I'll do what I want" to say "I want to contribute and discover life as much as possible"? Right now, that is done by the temptation of money. It (somewhat) works, however many flaws have come about; robbery, inheritance (making no work needed if you get enough money), and greed. That's the thing I like about this movement, is it's not the luxury of survival that's given, it's the teamwork and education. But there has to be something, some goal to get to... to intensely motivate people to make good decisions and have their curiosity lead to discovery.

That is extremely true. That leads to the issue that money is the object in the way of what people could be discovering. If i could, i would just travel around every single town, learn their language, culture and religion, and write a book up to a billion pages. (Although, i doubt anyone would read the shit out of it).