So, at school today we learned about child labor around the globe. My history teacher was pissing me off for her ignorance on it. I'm not sure on my views on this. Since it was a joke in History class, what do you all think?
Please leave this open for discussion :)
P.S. I'd like everyone's view on this, I have to write a paper on everyone's opinion. (have to interview like 10 people, I'll count these people as some)
To be honest, I see nothing wrong with it. If small children want to work for money, let them. It's different if you're forcing them to work though.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing but didn't wanna sound like a d*ck. I don't approve of the conditions they work in, in certain cases.
Who cares? They're agreeing to work in them. We shouldn't have to give them special care. They should man up or not work there if they don't like the conditions.
Some of them deserve it too.
I know! Little freaking pricks these days!
I mean come ONNN. You can't tell me it isn't worth it for companies like Nike.
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This sounds weird, but I think that would attract more younger people to buy their shoes. They'd see their peers making the shoes, so they'd want to buy them. It's just like alcohol advertising. It would help their company if anything.
They find ways to work with it. It gets them prepared for life. They're also getting paid. The companies can pay em less. Pro, pro, pro, pro. I'm sure the kids don't mind it, either. It's their culture in some places.
I agree. It's much more profit for the company to pay them less. Yet they won't do it? God, people wonder why the US economy is shit...
If the US would do this, half our debt would go away.
*sigh* Yeah. We need a better leader who will understand these things better. Someone like Kony. Too bad he's dead :\
Kony is innocent. He has really good ideas, working kids to better their physical strength.
Video about his innocence:
I agree. It's just like Americans to want to go and kill someone based on things they hear. Ignorance...
Jason Russel, the leader of invisible children. The one who made the kony video. Here he is...
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Yup. Congratz to everyone who blindly followed this public masturbator. Blindly following helped the Nazis and Hitler come into power. Think about that...
Hitler didn't bother me.
Me either. I think he was a pretty good guy. Strong leader. The only minor flaw was the whole holocaust thing, but I don't care about that too much. It was easily overweighed by all the good things he did.
The greatest speaker of all time. The fact that he got all those followers... Incredible man. Just had slightly bad insights.
The public makes things out to be much worse than they really are. Like the whole Anne Frank story. Who gives a shit? Why make a big deal about her? She's just one of the 5 million jews that died. Nothing makes her special. She's just the only jew who didn't feel too worthless to write a thing or two about her hiding experiences. It's not like it had a happy ending.
Yeah. I agree. Over-dramatic public. The only reason this whole thing was popular. Not even a big deal.
Yup. Just like AIDS and cancer. Such a small percentage of people have it. It's nothing to be all freaked out about.
For sure. We need to drop all the little shit... f*ck em. Worry about things that matter - like space travel. Maybe send prisoners out on the moon to fend for themselves. We could save a lot of space for things that matter on Earth.
I never thought of that :o The only problem with that is cost. But then again - if child labor was allowed, we could fund for things such as this.
Exactly. Drop all the shit with cancer. Quit worrying about now. Worry about the future. Money is everything. F*ck opinions and emotions. Do what's best for the future of America's budget, considering its situation.
Edit: Fixed grammar errors
Yup. Maybe we do need a communist government. Democracies give people who don't know what they're doing too much control of an entire nation.
Except women. They don't really do much. You can't tell me they're as good as men physically, unless they're an alternate.
OH MY GOD I KNOW. Who decided to give them rights? I can't stand listening to them b*tch. The bitchy loud fat annoying ones are the ones who never know what they're talking about. "We want equal pay in the work place!" STFU GOD
Look at WorldScape. It takes a special wit to be good with computers. And the Male to Female ratio? Like 200,000 to 1, males. Males are the superior race.
Yep. And then when a girl actually comes along they feel all special for being a "girl gamer". Well, aren't you one of a kind?
Funny thing is, they are rare to find. Just not extra special. It's like finding a black girl dating a white guy. Nothing special about it. To be honest, I find it kind of sickening.
Wtf? That's a real thing?
I know! It's gross. I don't blame Hitler for feeling hate. He just expressed his actions publicly. Nothing wrong with that.
I like how America is all about free expression. Then when someone foreign does it they hate him for it...
This brings us back to Kony. He was fighting for what he believed in. If done here, no biggie. Freedom of speech. OH, it's in AFRICA?!?!?!? There's already a trillion problems there right!?!?!? LET'S GO KILL KONY. Sh*t pisses me the f*ck off.
Yeah, then they don't even do anything about the starving kids there?
Can't afford it. Tough luck.
Sadly, that's true. But this brings us back to legalizing child labor for more money.
Being starving in Africa < Being exhausted at the end of the day, but with money. These are the two main struggles children face. In conclusion, child labor = good thing.
And they could buy food with that money. The public doesn't even ask the kids if they like working before they just assume they hate it and flip shit on everyone.
From assumptions - back to Hitler. People assumed he was bad, they heard words. "He's killing Jews". There's always a part to the story you may not know.
I wish America had a leader as determined as Hitler was :\
That's what I've been saying!!
Case in point: women deserve no rights, Hitler should be a leader, Kony as vice president, child labor around the globe. I can only dream....
Vice? Hell no. President.
I said Hitler president -_- Lol. Doesn't make a difference. They'd both be great. I agree with everything they both say.
I don't know where the topic has gone to. :x
Quote from: Kryptonite on May 22, 2012, 07:37:32 PM
This sounds weird, but I think that would attract more younger people to buy their shoes. They'd see their peers making the shoes, so they'd want to buy them. It's just like alcohol advertising. It would help their company if anything.
Well, I can see where you are going. But think about it, if they the companies sell at the price they do now, the kids won't be able to afford the shoes simply as a result of the low pay. But in actuality they wouldn't be buying them in the first place, their parents would be or most likely would be. So the company wouldn't get very far if they showed children working on the product.
Now, I do understand that commercials (if that was what you were implying) do to an extent, specifically target younger children for their shoes. e.g Light up shoes. But they also have to appeal to the buyers as well. e.g The parents. Which you guys most likely knew.
To go a little of topic: The other day it caught my attention that there are laws, in Florida, preventing teenagers from working full-time (20+ hours a week), but nothing restricting volunteer hour consumption. o.O
Quote from: Kryptonite on May 22, 2012, 08:13:12 PM
I never thought of that :o The only problem with that is cost. But then again - if child labor was allowed, we could fund for things such as this.
We have to keep young children in SCHOOL!!! Otherwise they will become unfortunately wage-slaves.
Quote from: Sean on May 23, 2012, 09:40:05 PM
To go a little of topic: The other day it caught my attention that there are laws, in Florida, preventing teenagers from working full-time (20+ hours a week), but nothing restricting volunteer hour consumption. o.O
That sounds like Florida supporting slavery to me.
Quote from: Sean on May 23, 2012, 09:40:05 PM
We have to keep young children in SCHOOL!!! Otherwise they will become unfortunately wage-slaves.
They could work outside of school hours too.
I thought the topic was about being in labour. If so, it's painful as F*ckshizzles. LOL
But i don't like it at all :( but if you really think about it.. we're all labors.
Quick solution, Make no-one in the world work, and give everyone a billion dollars.
Lol, I was trolling this whole topic, I don't actually support these things.
Quote from: Dug on May 24, 2012, 06:14:49 AM
Quick solution, Make no-one in the world work, and give everyone a billion dollars.
AKA communist world! I love it!
Hitler! Kony! Screw the women! Child labor!
Quote from: Dug on May 24, 2012, 06:14:49 AM
Quick solution, Make no-one in the world work, and give everyone a billion dollars.
No need for money. A practicable solution which could result in world peace. The Zeitgeist Movement. All we would need. A resource-based economy.
Okay, now that I'm done trolling, I'll give my real thoughts a go.
And no, I don't agree on a communist world, simply because no one is rewarded or punished for their actions. You could have someone who is the stupidest, laziest, most annoying person around be at the same level as Richard Dawkins or Albert Einstein, people who are geniuses and deserve to be at the top. It's shadowing people's skills. No one gets to shine. Communism is basically WorldScape right now, everyone has everything. And how has that worked out? A lot of controversy, not as smooth as you'd think. You also can't just "give people billions", because then billions would no longer be worth anything; everyone has it.
Nor do I support the Zeitgeist Movement, because there'd be no way to put value to anything. Possible situation:
QuotePerson 1: Hey, I'll buy your house for my car!
Person 2: No way! My house is way more.
Person 1: Prove it!
Person 2: Ehh...
Even though common sense can periodically come into play, there's no real way to say "hey, this is _ more valuable than this". Having that basis for currency is what we rely on, and even though yes, it causes people to go money drunk, it keeps people within reality. You also have the problem of jobs.. Instead of 15 dollars an hour, what would you get? Two loaves of bread an hour? That's stupid, because your pay would be inconsistent, and bosses would have to be super trustworthy to pay their employees valuable items every time they pay. I just don't see any of these. Not trying to sound ignorant or arrogant, but I think democracies work the most fluently and safely, have everyone vote for a leader that may be impeached at any time.
And as far as child labor goes, no I had no paper to write. I also think it's wrong unless the kids want to do it, the shit that pisses me off is organizations that try to prevent kids from working that want to work for money to "protect them". They (almost) piss me off more than Creationalists.. But let's not bring religion into this.
I agree with you. Although womens rights = still a joke.
Quote from: Kryptonite on May 25, 2012, 09:34:44 PM
I agree with you. Although womens rights = still a joke.
;)
@Recoil
Quote from: Recoil on May 25, 2012, 09:29:00 PM
Nor do I support the Zeitgeist Movement, because there'd be no way to put value to anything. Possible situation:
QuotePerson 1: Hey, I'll buy your house for my car!
Person 2: No way! My house is way more.
Person 1: Prove it!
Person 2: Ehh...
Even though common sense can periodically come into play, there's no real way to say "hey, this is _ more valuable than this". Having that basis for currency is what we rely on, and even though yes, it causes people to go money drunk, it keeps people within reality. You also have the problem of jobs.. Instead of 15 dollars an hour, what would you get? Two loaves of bread an hour? That's stupid, because your pay would be inconsistent, and bosses would have to be super trustworthy to pay their employees valuable items every time they pay. I just don't see any of these. Not trying to sound ignorant or arrogant, but I think democracies work the most fluently and safely, have everyone vote for a leader that may be impeached at any time.
The Zeitgeist Movement is a very fascinating thing to think about. If more and more people explore the possibilities it could bring, things may change.
Now the Zeitgeist Movement does not support labor to stay alive, all the food and goods will be free of charge. Although, it does not exclude labor all together. The Zeitgeist Movement puts quite a bit of emphasis on automated labor, so you wouldn't be working to survive (everything will be provided by each other) you would be working to advance civilization. Don't get me wrong, someone will have to design the machines, but automated labor would replace the people building the machines which build the machines, which build the infrastructure.
Another part of the Zeitgeist Movement is to increase the knowledge of every individual there is so we can work together to create even more advanced technology, which in return will help us survive as a species. Monetary compensation would not be relevant and thus the practice of it (learning an ability to make money e.g A Marketing Agent) would be irrelevant.
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And as far as child labor goes, no I had no paper to write. I also think it's wrong unless the kids want to do it, the shit that pisses me off is organizations that try to prevent kids from working that want to work for money to "protect them". They (almost) piss me off more than Creationalists.. But let's not bring religion into this.
Child labor would be abolished as the child's main goal would be to learn, not to survive. Now there are a lot of reasons a child or children would be stuck in the position of thriving to be safe, or to be "protected". I can't even begin to roll out the possibilities of the situation(s), but in a world of thriving methodically enriched people, these types of social problems would most likely be wrapped up.
I'd be fine with the Zeitgeist Movement as long as intelligence in individuals would stick out. Not saying it wouldn't I'm just saying I wouldn't want it to be so much as a communism. Like I said, I'm fine with the idea that everyone has access to the same resources to make all of us equal in terms of survival, but in terms of learning I think people should somehow be rewarded for discovering vast ideologies. Think about it. Would people like Steve Jobs done what they did if there would be no prize? Sure satisfaction would be tremendous, but I'm sure some of his motivation was the money aspect. If we take that away, then inventions like that may never even come about in the first place. That is my only worry. I believe every person should have a civil place to live and be supplied with resources necessary to survive. I just don't want individual skill being shadowed, and people to get lazy because they're assured things needed to survive, know what I mean? So if not in currency, how can we motivate intelligence? If there's a way to in the Zeitgeist Movement then I'm all for it. But I also think a lot of it has to do with early life. I just saw the movie "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close". It kind of woke me up to the essence of life. It was about this kid that lost his dad to 9/11. He was genius in the movie (and in real life, he's like 12 and speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese).. He displayed mass curiosity for the discovery of this in the world. I think if everyone was raised that the goal of life should be to discover life itself, then the contributions to life would be so tremendous we'd all have genius IQs. (Side note: Did you know there are more people in China with genius IQs then there is America's entire population? Incredible.) So, bottom line: How do we motivate that strive for excellence? How do we get people from saying "f*ck it, I'll do what I want" to say "I want to contribute and discover life as much as possible"? Right now, that is done by the temptation of money. It (somewhat) works, however many flaws have come about; robbery, inheritance (making no work needed if you get enough money), and greed. That's the thing I like about this movement, is it's not the luxury of survival that's given, it's the teamwork and education. But there has to be something, some goal to get to... to intensely motivate people to make good decisions and have their curiosity lead to discovery.
Anyhow, pretty deep shit right there, lemme know what you think.
Quote from: Recoil on May 27, 2012, 12:03:09 AM
So, bottom line: How do we motivate that strive for excellence? How do we get people from saying "f*ck it, I'll do what I want" to say "I want to contribute and discover life as much as possible"? Right now, that is done by the temptation of money. It (somewhat) works, however many flaws have come about; robbery, inheritance (making no work needed if you get enough money), and greed. That's the thing I like about this movement, is it's not the luxury of survival that's given, it's the teamwork and education. But there has to be something, some goal to get to... to intensely motivate people to make good decisions and have their curiosity lead to discovery.
That is extremely true. That leads to the issue that money is the object in the way of what people could be discovering. If i could, i would just travel around every single town, learn their language, culture and religion, and write a book up to a billion pages. (Although, i doubt anyone would read the shit out of it).
By discovery I mean discovering our own Earth and the universe around us. Neil deGrasse Tyson, a famous scientist and Astrophysicist, once said that "If aliens are advanced enough to come to us before we get to them, we should be worried." Why? Think of the past. When's the last time one civilization "visited" a weaker civilization? In history it has almost always turned out in war, or rather a massacre of the weaker place. So, if aliens come to us first, they are obviously extremely more advanced than us because they can travel much farther. Yes, it would be something to say that you were the first to shake the aliens hand (or whatever the alien has instead of a hand, lol) but it would be extremely dangerous on that encounter. Also we have to consider other things like how they operate; they may not even "communicate" with one another. You have to realize, things are probably completely different.. That means life probably isn't coded by DNA for aliens, they may not even eat to survive, they may even live forever; laws of physics do not apply for things we haven't discovered yet. Case in point, each galaxy and each planet is unique to itself, they all have different laws on the way things work and are completely different than the Milky Way galaxy and our solar system.
It's all completely a mystery.. How big the universe is, what is contained in it, and how everything works.. That is why I think the purpose of life is to find the purpose of life itself. People have been asking that question for years, but listen: The purpose is to find the purpose! So to everyone that "doesn't give a f*ck" about the discovery of the universe, wake the f*ck up, because we're not just going to put it off and let the next generation do it for us, because the longer we put it off the more time we give aliens to advance. Not like it'd be horrible to have them visit, just risky.
And yes, there are aliens, as you may have seen from my signature (and an Astronomer himself said it):
"Saying that aliens don't exist is like taking a glass of water, dipping it in the ocean, then concluding that whales don't exist." ~ Neil deGrasse Tyson
So that's why I think we're here. To find out more about everything because as of now we know only 4% of everything. That's 96% we do not know. We may consider one of us to be "intelligent" by our standards, but our standards are absolutely nothing compared to life's standards.
@Reply #58
I do understand where you are going and it does make total sense.
Though with change comes mental change, we should be able to be break out of our current mental conditioning of monetary excellence.
Quote from: Sean on May 29, 2012, 03:56:03 PM
Though with change comes mental change
This is the most important thing to me, with the right mindset anything can be done. People are either not confident enough or don't care.