Has anyone else noticed on WS lately that everyone just sits around and follows each other? No one ever PK's anymore or anything. Half the people that are on are afk too (including me tbh, I see others not saying anything so I get bored and just leave the game up). There's honestly no solution to this, we can always get new players or bring old people back but I've found that's not the problem. Just doing things in-game is getting old and repetitive now. Train, follow each-other, mini-games. That's it. (Yes I'm aware I'm going to get a bunch of defensive jack-wads who will say "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T PLAY IT!" but that's not my point, I'm saying hardly anything happens anymore.) Honestly I'd prefer the WS when I first rejoined in January, the dramatic people that always complain (although most of them have quit or been banned) because it's just more interesting. I've given up on wanting the WS from when I first ever joined in 2010, because I know it won't be like that again.
Don't tell me there are plenty of people on, plenty of players. Because everyone that says that never gets on themselves. Just looking at the player count won't give you the truth, considering half those people just sit around now.
We can always have new mini-games such as zombies to preoccupy us, or holiday events but the problem is too immense for that (especially since a lot of the things added aren't really new, just re-added from previous years, although they are fun). A temporary medication doesn't cure a chronic disease.
Anyone else feel the same about this? (I know a lot of you do, even some staff that have said so) We've had many "WS is dying" topics out there but I feel like all those are thrown to the wolves every time, the hardcore lovers that feel like defending this game's reputation is their lifeline. Face the facts and quit sugarcoating. The whole mood has changed. Why would I make a topic about it if I thought it was untrue?
Ah well. No need for flaming at me btw, every topic I've made in the past about this (yes, there have been multiple) people lash out. Just read my post and think about it with an open mind.
Quote from: Mute on April 22, 2012, 04:19:09 PM
And as you can tell, IRL shit has forced me into a bad mood. So expect more posts like this soon.
I've felt the same lately. Nothing's been happening IRL, but I've been in the mood to stir about conversation about this honestly. I wanna see what people think.
The game isn't dying. The people are. There is plenty to do, I don't understand why you guys complain so much. Everyone sits around because you guys have all the items you can ever ask for. There is no economy. I would love to completely wipe out every single item in WorldScape and start all over. You guys always say "There is nothing to do. Come do a NPC Mania." I do them, and nobody participates. I host mini events off and on, and hardly anyone does anything. When I do give rewards people aren't even grateful. You guys need to re-think everything. Honestly, if you guys want to have fun again ::empty your whole bank and start from scratch. You will learn the true value of your items, and that will slowly fix the economy. Don't just give them away, I honestly mean delete them.
The game is doing just fine, the numbers of players online at once isn't doing so hot, but we get 20+ new players every day.
Quote from: Kevin on April 22, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
The game isn't dying. The people are. There is plenty to do, I don't understand why you guys complain so much. Everyone sits around because you guys have all the items you can ever ask for. There is no economy. I would love to completely wipe out every single item in WorldScape and start all over. You guys always say "There is nothing to do. Come do a NPC Mania." I do them, and nobody participates. I host mini events off and on, and hardly anyone does anything. When I do give rewards people aren't even grateful. You guys need to re-think everything. Honestly, if you guys want to have fun again ::empty your whole bank and start from scratch. You will learn the true value of your items, and that will slowly fix the economy. Don't just give them away, I honestly mean delete them.
The game is doing just fine, the numbers of players online at once isn't doing so hot, but we get 20+ new players every day.
You make that sound very interesting about wiping out my bank. I think I'm gonna try to start making people do this.
I'l empty my bank just for the sake of other people's enjoyment lol. Of course, You wouldn't get the stuck up "legends' to empty there bank ::)
The game is rather boring these days, I have to admit, but I don't let it get to the point where I afk and follow someone around. If it's that bad make a new pure or something.
My bank was completely empty a month or two ago when I came back. Now I have a beret. And a bunch of other stuff. I was able to be occupied by getting skills up, and that's about it really. So yeah, it'll keep players temporarily interested if they do that, but they'll just get bored again.
I don't have a bank, nor do I want one.
I've got about 5 items (FireCape, Strength Ammy, Rune Boots, Whip and B Gloves.)
VOTE
http://www.moparscape.org/serverstatus.php?action=up&server=world1.worldscapeblitz.com
Vote for WorldScape Classic here! If you vote once every hour, we'll gain more players
MORE PLAYERS=MORE FUN!
Did you read my post? I said the problem isn't player amount, it's what the players do.
And everyone knows how to vote.
Quote from: Kevin on April 22, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
The game isn't dying. The people are. There is plenty to do, I don't understand why you guys complain so much. Everyone sits around because you guys have all the items you can ever ask for. There is no economy. I would love to completely wipe out every single item in WorldScape and start all over. You guys always say "There is nothing to do. Come do a NPC Mania." I do them, and nobody participates. I host mini events off and on, and hardly anyone does anything. When I do give rewards people aren't even grateful. You guys need to re-think everything. Honestly, if you guys want to have fun again ::empty your whole bank and start from scratch. You will learn the true value of your items, and that will slowly fix the economy. Don't just give them away, I honestly mean delete them.
The game is doing just fine, the numbers of players online at once isn't doing so hot, but we get 20+ new players every day.
Honestly, the bank wiping is an executive decision that you, Ryan, and Bill need to address more. Even though this community is
VERY community minded, you three have the deciding factor when it comes down to it. In my honest opinion, it needs to be thrown on the table and completely discussed from an executive standpoint; decided upon; and acted upon soon as it is becoming a "hot topic" within the community itself. There is no need for votes, or anything of that sort. Anyone that disagrees to it is entitled to their opinion, but like I said, that is your decision to make. If you three believe that the lack of an economy is one of the weaker points to the game, make an economy! As I mentioned before, it's you three's decision; not the community at large. With the bank wipe, sure it would irritate people. But, with that whole thing you must compare the positives to the negatives to see which outweigh the other.
And to every one complaining that WorldScape is dying, there is no one to point the blame towards. Everyone is equally at fault. Yes, the server could do with additional advertising, say a MoparScape sponsorship or something along that lines, but to get to that, you need a decent player base with a good amount of people willing to donate to the cause. I see a lot of donators on this server, but donating one dollar one time isn't enough to keep the server alive. Not that I've done my fair share: I donate approx. 10-20$ a month, and do absolutely no advertising. I could get on other servers every day to advertise, and donate a lot more than that, but I don't: not because I can't, or not because I don't want too, but honestly I see no reason too with a community that is starting to degrade. But I will get to that farther down the line. The Advertisement team is also in place, and I'm not saying it is not effective or having any sort of opinion on certain people being a team of advertisers, but it's the server and administrative teams job to advertise as a whole, not just a particular group of people.
As for my comment about the community degrading: I see two things. Again, you can disagree with me all you want, but I'm a very opinionated person and that's just how I am. First: I see a, pardon my french, sh*t load of whining and complaining. Yes, everyone gets frustrated and there is a rants section for a reason. But, the rant section is used in a completely wrong way. It should be about valid complaints that you see throughout the server, about new updates that come out, and other things along those lines. The way it is used right now seems to be a way for people to point the finger at each other looking for a reason why the server is dieing. Which brings me to point two:
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. This goes for everyone, myself, staff, and my fellow WS players alike. Players: You see that the server is dying, does it help to make topic after topic about it? If people come along and they see 4 topics in the unread posts about the server dying, do you think they will stay, advertise, or donate for that matter? Staff: You see that people are angry with the way that things are going for the server: Give them an explanation. Tell them why you do some things, why you're not doing some things, and what you plan to do to make the server a better one for all of us. Me as a player: Advertise, cheer people up, speak my mind, and don't be afraid of the consequences.
I didn't want to make a big long rant on this, much less reply to a topic in the rants section, but I feel it's a necessity for me to do so. I believe that I have earned my right to speak my mind over the many years I've been here. And this does not mean that I feel the community is dead, is dying, or is not dying. I see the community...degrading. Becoming a weaker "family." I don't like to see it, but it is happening, and it needs to stop. If you read all of this, congratulations. If you disagree, I'd love to hear your opinions and I'd love to discuss them with whoever.
Comic relief: I believe I spelled the word "dying" wrong about 100 times. 8)
Quote from: James on April 24, 2012, 01:36:55 AM
Quote from: Kevin on April 22, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
The game isn't dying. The people are. There is plenty to do, I don't understand why you guys complain so much. Everyone sits around because you guys have all the items you can ever ask for. There is no economy. I would love to completely wipe out every single item in WorldScape and start all over. You guys always say "There is nothing to do. Come do a NPC Mania." I do them, and nobody participates. I host mini events off and on, and hardly anyone does anything. When I do give rewards people aren't even grateful. You guys need to re-think everything. Honestly, if you guys want to have fun again ::empty your whole bank and start from scratch. You will learn the true value of your items, and that will slowly fix the economy. Don't just give them away, I honestly mean delete them.
The game is doing just fine, the numbers of players online at once isn't doing so hot, but we get 20+ new players every day.
damn, I'm not even going to comment. His post made sense, so I'm not even going to try, lol. But you're right, I guess we all failed as a community. But, like you said. It's everyone's fault.
Honestly, the bank wiping is an executive decision that you, Ryan, and Bill need to address more. Even though this community is VERY community minded, you three have the deciding factor when it comes down to it. In my honest opinion, it needs to be thrown on the table and completely discussed from an executive standpoint; decided upon; and acted upon soon as it is becoming a "hot topic" within the community itself. There is no need for votes, or anything of that sort. Anyone that disagrees to it is entitled to their opinion, but like I said, that is your decision to make. If you three believe that the lack of an economy is one of the weaker points to the game, make an economy! As I mentioned before, it's you three's decision; not the community at large. With the bank wipe, sure it would irritate people. But, with that whole thing you must compare the positives to the negatives to see which outweigh the other.
And to every one complaining that WorldScape is dying, there is no one to point the blame towards. Everyone is equally at fault. Yes, the server could do with additional advertising, say a MoparScape sponsorship or something along that lines, but to get to that, you need a decent player base with a good amount of people willing to donate to the cause. I see a lot of donators on this server, but donating one dollar one time isn't enough to keep the server alive. Not that I've done my fair share: I donate approx. 10-20$ a month, and do absolutely no advertising. I could get on other servers every day to advertise, and donate a lot more than that, but I don't: not because I can't, or not because I don't want too, but honestly I see no reason too with a community that is starting to degrade. But I will get to that farther down the line. The Advertisement team is also in place, and I'm not saying it is not effective or having any sort of opinion on certain people being a team of advertisers, but it's the server and administrative teams job to advertise as a whole, not just a particular group of people.
As for my comment about the community degrading: I see two things. Again, you can disagree with me all you want, but I'm a very opinionated person and that's just how I am. First: I see a, pardon my french, sh*t load of whining and complaining. Yes, everyone gets frustrated and there is a rants section for a reason. But, the rant section is used in a completely wrong way. It should be about valid complaints that you see throughout the server, about new updates that come out, and other things along those lines. The way it is used right now seems to be a way for people to point the finger at each other looking for a reason why the server is dieing. Which brings me to point two: DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. This goes for everyone, myself, staff, and my fellow WS players alike. Players: You see that the server is dying, does it help to make topic after topic about it? If people come along and they see 4 topics in the unread posts about the server dying, do you think they will stay, advertise, or donate for that matter? Staff: You see that people are angry with the way that things are going for the server: Give them an explanation. Tell them why you do some things, why you're not doing some things, and what you plan to do to make the server a better one for all of us. Me as a player: Advertise, cheer people up, speak my mind, and don't be afraid of the consequences.
I didn't want to make a big long rant on this, much less reply to a topic in the rants section, but I feel it's a necessity for me to do so. I believe that I have earned my right to speak my mind over the many years I've been here. And this does not mean that I feel the community is dead, is dying, or is not dying. I see the community...degrading. Becoming a weaker "family." I don't like to see it, but it is happening, and it needs to stop. If you read all of this, congratulations. If you disagree, I'd love to hear your opinions and I'd love to discuss them with whoever.
Comic relief: I believe I spelled the word "dying" wrong about 100 times. 8)
Reset all stats and banks, and make the money in this game actually worth something.
James I highly agree with half of your reasoning. Especially th part about the Eco fix. I think it's great you guys let people vote on stuff, but it's a bit flawed when people rig the voting. The-fact-of-the-matter is people are too addicted to WorldScape to simply quit after you wipe out items. People would definitely complain at first, but would soon realize it's not that bad, maybe even better. Blitz is a different story, it's not like you're changing XP rates and changing the entire game. You're replacing the economy.
I have a gut feeling that when I say what I'm about to, the entire advertisement team will get extremely defensive. Don't take this in a negative way, because really; it isn't meant to be. But our probelm is NOT player count. It has taken me a long time to figure that out. It's player activity and player attitude. Yes, it would be more fun with 100s of active people online. But it can be just as fun if people wouldn't basically do nothing in-game. The truth is: there's nothing left to do. But, if the entire economy was wiped out, wouldn't you think that people would have more to do? Yes, we can wipe out our own banks and tell some friends to. But that won't change anything if others have thousands of duped items and 2bil in their banks. It's not the same Kevin, because then that will just make a poorer you and still the same ruined economy.
Quote from: Recoil on April 24, 2012, 09:29:15 AM
James I highly agree with half of your reasoning. Especially th part about the Eco fix. I think it's great you guys let people vote on stuff, but it's a bit flawed when people rig the voting. The-fact-of-the-matter is people are too addicted to WorldScape to simply quit after you wipe out items. People would definitely complain at first, but would soon realize it's not that bad, maybe even better. Blitz is a different story, it's not like you're changing XP rates and changing the entire game. You're replacing the economy.
I have a gut feeling that when I say what I'm about to, the entire advertisement team will get extremely defensive. Don't take this in a negative way, because really; it isn't meant to be. But our probelm is NOT player count. It has taken me a long time to figure that out. It's player activity and player attitude. Yes, it would be more fun with 100s of active people online. But it can be just as fun if people wouldn't basically do nothing in-game. The truth is: there's nothing left to do. But, if the entire economy was wiped out, wouldn't you think that people would have more to do? Yes, we can wipe out our own banks and tell some friends to. But that won't change anything if others have thousands of duped items and 2bil in their banks. It's not the same Kevin, because then that will just make a poorer you and still the same ruined economy.
Then delete all in-game accounts. Make a voting topic! Lets say we lose 5 players by doing it, and gain 10 people. Just for an example, of course.
Quote from: Diva La Viva on April 24, 2012, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: Recoil on April 24, 2012, 09:29:15 AM
James I highly agree with half of your reasoning. Especially th part about the Eco fix. I think it's great you guys let people vote on stuff, but it's a bit flawed when people rig the voting. The-fact-of-the-matter is people are too addicted to WorldScape to simply quit after you wipe out items. People would definitely complain at first, but would soon realize it's not that bad, maybe even better. Blitz is a different story, it's not like you're changing XP rates and changing the entire game. You're replacing the economy.
I have a gut feeling that when I say what I'm about to, the entire advertisement team will get extremely defensive. Don't take this in a negative way, because really; it isn't meant to be. But our probelm is NOT player count. It has taken me a long time to figure that out. It's player activity and player attitude. Yes, it would be more fun with 100s of active people online. But it can be just as fun if people wouldn't basically do nothing in-game. The truth is: there's nothing left to do. But, if the entire economy was wiped out, wouldn't you think that people would have more to do? Yes, we can wipe out our own banks and tell some friends to. But that won't change anything if others have thousands of duped items and 2bil in their banks. It's not the same Kevin, because then that will just make a poorer you and still the same ruined economy.
Then delete all in-game accounts. Make a voting topic! Lets say we lose 5 players by doing it, and gain 10 people. Just for an example, of course.
I will explain this in an analogy to clear up my opinion on 'voting' for a decision: When the President/Prime Minister/Premier declares something, do you get a say? The server administrators are called that for a reason. They make the executive decisions. Having the community vote on anything would be pointless, as nothing would ever get accomplished because frankly, people don't like change.
Yes, I agree. But it's not like Ryan will just delete our accounts without an opinion from us.
Quote from: Recoil on April 23, 2012, 05:35:22 PM
Did you read my post? I said the problem isn't player amount, it's what the players do.
And everyone knows how to vote.
No i did not read your post
your sincerely
Justin Bieber
I never said "delete all accounts in-game". I said reset the items, there's a huge difference.
And yes, owners should decide the fate of the game because of three things: one, they made the damn game, two, they're allowed to, and three, they're best qualified to choose. I'd take the intelligence of an owner over a player anyday, simply because players don't have to be as qualified. All we're expected to do is follow the rules, and a large player base in any game is immature and uninformed. And if those kinds of people can rig a voting system, I don't want voting.
Quote from: Recoil on April 24, 2012, 12:54:21 PM
I never said "delete all accounts in-game". I said reset the items, there's a huge difference.
And yes, owners should decide the fate of the game because of three things: one, they made the damn game, two, they're allowed to, and three, they're best qualified to choose. I'd take the intelligence of an owner over a player anyday, simply because players don't have to be as qualified. All we're expected to do is follow the rules, and a large player base in any game is immature and uninformed. And if those kinds of people can rig a voting system, I don't want voting.
I was quoting Diva La Viva. :)
Quote from: James on April 24, 2012, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: Recoil on April 24, 2012, 12:54:21 PM
I never said "delete all accounts in-game". I said reset the items, there's a huge difference.
And yes, owners should decide the fate of the game because of three things: one, they made the damn game, two, they're allowed to, and three, they're best qualified to choose. I'd take the intelligence of an owner over a player anyday, simply because players don't have to be as qualified. All we're expected to do is follow the rules, and a large player base in any game is immature and uninformed. And if those kinds of people can rig a voting system, I don't want voting.
It was a suggestion.
I was quoting Diva La Viva. :)
I know you were, I was talking to him because he thought I meant deleting accounts. I should've quoted him, my bad
Quote from: robinhood on April 24, 2012, 12:50:20 PM
No i did not read your post
your sincerely
Justin Bieber
You make the advertiser rank look bad since the only thing you do is trolling.
On-topic; If you want to fix the economy you should just wipe every ones bank and give the donators their shards back. You will probably say "But they will be rich as hell", but they can switch the items in the shop after the economy reset.
Quote from: Wild on April 24, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
You make the advertiser rank look bad since the only thing you do is trolling.
Nah, that's not trolling. It's worse. He's not really saying anything. Like all of his posts it's random words put together. For instance "sincerely Justin Bieber"..
These are the people I'm talking about, the kinds of people who won't affect the server because they don't know what's best for it. That's the problem with voting is that EVERYONE CAN VOTE, smart and un-smart people; just let the Owners decide on decisions as they know what's best.
Wipe it XD and be done with it, those who have the skill to earn all there items and levels back are the true players.
This server has been up for like 5 years right? Other servers come and go what have a lot more stuff to do, skilling and so on. I'm not active in-game anymore, i've gotten enough of it and rarely on these forums... :P
Off-Topic
i will behave sorry.
screw the players, because they arnt players, they are afkers. wipe all the banks. wipe every item. then theres an economy, and there is stuff to do. that is the only solution.
Quote from: Recoil on April 24, 2012, 03:33:01 PM
Quote from: Wild on April 24, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
You make the advertiser rank look bad since the only thing you do is trolling.
Nah, that's not trolling. It's worse. He's not really saying anything. Like all of his posts it's random words put together. For instance "sincerely Justin Bieber"..
These are the people I'm talking about, the kinds of people who won't affect the server because they don't know what's best for it. That's the problem with voting is that EVERYONE CAN VOTE, smart and un-smart people; just let the Owners decide on decisions as they know what's best.
Don't you think it's kind of ignorant to imply that people with a different opinion are "un-smart"? (not even a word)
I don't really give a shit anymore, but others might do. This is a community decision, you're not in the position to tell anybody how they should solve this.
Quote from: Grievous on April 26, 2012, 04:18:01 PM
Don't you think it's kind of ignorant to imply that people with a different opinion are "un-smart"? (not even a word)
I don't really give a shit anymore, but others might do. This is a community decision, you're not in the position to tell anybody how they should solve this.
I'm not telling anyone anything. I'm suggesting, like half the other people on this topic (which I may add, you didn't criticize them about it)
I said "un-smart" as a way of sounding contradicting on purpose. I guess I should've quoted it.
And you of all people would be the last to choose the decision. It's funny how you get all butt-hurt from all of my posts just because we disagree on how good RuneScape is. Don't you have anything better to you do than "troll" people? (Troll in quotations, cause the way you do it is weak and sets you up for perfect shredding.)
Quote from: Recoil on April 26, 2012, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Grievous on April 26, 2012, 04:18:01 PM
Don't you think it's kind of ignorant to imply that people with a different opinion are "un-smart"? (not even a word)
I don't really give a shit anymore, but others might do. This is a community decision, you're not in the position to tell anybody how they should solve this.
I'm not telling anyone anything. I'm suggesting, like half the other people on this topic (which I may add, you didn't criticize them about it)
I said "un-smart" as a way of sounding contradicting on purpose. I guess I should've quoted it.
And you of all people would be the last to choose the decision. It's funny how you get all butt-hurt from all of my posts just because we disagree on how good RuneScape is. Don't you have anything better to you do than "troll" people? (Troll in quotations, cause the way you do it is weak and sets you up for perfect shredding.)
I'm not trolling...
I've never said that I'm the one to decide.
and no, Recoil, I just really don't like your points. It has nothing to do with Runescape.
You're taking this way out of context. You seem to think that every time I'm saying something that is against you, you automatically think it's for every other reason other than that I think you're talking a lot of BS.
Quote from: Grievous on April 26, 2012, 06:42:18 PM
I'm not trolling...
I've never said that I'm the one to decide.
and no, Recoil, I just really don't like your points. It has nothing to do with Runescape.
You're taking this way out of context. You seem to think that every time I'm saying something that is against you, you automatically think it's for every other reason other than that I think you're talking a lot of BS.
I said you were trolling because it seems like every time you quote me (which to be honest, is every time you post) a negative feeling comes off of it.
And yes, I know you never said you were the one to decide. That's my point. Neither did I. Players are allowed to suggest things ya know.. plus like 5 other people did, you said nothing to them.
So do I think you're trolling? Yeah. Or at least being negative.
Quote from: Grievous on April 26, 2012, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: Recoil on April 24, 2012, 03:33:01 PM
Quote from: Wild on April 24, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
You make the advertiser rank look bad since the only thing you do is trolling.
Nah, that's not trolling. It's worse. He's not really saying anything. Like all of his posts it's random words put together. For instance "sincerely Justin Bieber"..
These are the people I'm talking about, the kinds of people who won't affect the server because they don't know what's best for it. That's the problem with voting is that EVERYONE CAN VOTE, smart and un-smart people; just let the Owners decide on decisions as they know what's best.
Don't you think it's kind of ignorant to imply that people with a different opinion are "un-smart"? (not even a word)
I don't really give a shit anymore, but others might do. This is a community decision, you're not in the position to tell anybody how they should solve this.
To be honest, this is not a community decision. Do you have access to the server's character files? That is an executive decision; the accounts are their's not yours. So do they have to ask for our opinions? No. Would it be nice? No and Yes. More people who are in favor of keeping items or not keeping them could simply make multiple accounts to vote. It's been done in the past.
If the admins is smart, they would want our opinions before wiping our banks that we have been struggling to get in such a long time, and make all players aware of it
Quote from: Diva La Viva on April 27, 2012, 01:00:16 AM
If the admins is smart, they would want our opinions before wiping our banks that we have been struggling to get in such a long time, and make all players aware of it
You're missing the point. There's no fair way to let everyone vote, because people just make multiple accounts.