I logged in today and realised I was wearing nothing?
But before I logged out I had everything. I hadn't died or anything just all my items were gone that I was wearing.
Could an Admin/Owner look into this.
This happened to me in some aspects. I was training at the shades and my internet disconnected, as I reconnected it, I logged on and was at ::zombies and all of my range items were gone. :-\
My berserkers rings, and a few other things got removed from my bank.
Just hope it's not due to the zombie glitch. Those items will not be returned. My bro lost like AGS. DFH and DFS. maybe more.
this is weird im sure ryan and kevin will look into it dw everyone
Nate lost his hell cat :'(
Quote from: lucifur on March 22, 2012, 11:07:49 AM
this is weird im sure ryan and kevin will look into it dw everyone
It's already been fixed.
k recoil and dug why you say that?
Quote from: drakedriller on March 22, 2012, 11:41:46 PM
k recoil and dug why you say that?
Because even though the glitch has been fixed, none of the lost items are going to be returned.
It's a little unfair, But life is unfair so. Meh.
i lost my snow globe ;D
Wait... Let me get this straight? So something that happened to the players of this game that the players couldn't control, and is completely the admins' fault that it happened, and the players who were fucked over by this don't get their items back? When it was 100% the admins' fault? Not the players? What the hell?
Me either. I don't log in. I'm just saying. That's bs..
So, your saying that everyone that lost items, that we have no way of knowing they had these items, or have any logs of them losing these items, and no idea how they lost these items, is our fault? And we are the bad guys for not giving items back?
We didn't give items back because before everyone said "I lost full bandos, ags, and a sigil". Which is why we don't give any items back, because someone who may have lost some rune, say they lost bandos and everything.
Well, assuming people can provide legitimate evidence that they had the items, then you can use that system that shows everything that happens to people to see if they still have them, you should be able to do that, right? And yeah, it's not our fault that you guys had a glitch.
Quote from: TROLOLOLOLOL on March 23, 2012, 08:20:42 PM
Well, assuming people can provide legitimate evidence that they had the items, then you can use that system that shows everything that happens to people to see if they still have them, you should be able to do that, right? And yeah, it's not our fault that you guys had a glitch.
You say that like we meant there to be a glitch
Quote from: Kevin on March 23, 2012, 08:15:19 PM
So, your saying that everyone that lost items, that we have no way of knowing they had these items, or have any logs of them losing these items, and no idea how they lost these items, is our fault? And we are the bad guys for not giving items back?
We didn't give items back because before everyone said "I lost full bandos, ags, and a sigil". Which is why we don't give any items back, because someone who may have lost some rune, say they lost bandos and everything.
Maybe try beta-testing the mini-game a bit more to look for these things, then it's not a big deal? I know for sure this would've come up in testing because it happened to half the people here.
Quote from: Recoil on March 23, 2012, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: Kevin on March 23, 2012, 08:15:19 PM
So, your saying that everyone that lost items, that we have no way of knowing they had these items, or have any logs of them losing these items, and no idea how they lost these items, is our fault? And we are the bad guys for not giving items back?
We didn't give items back because before everyone said "I lost full bandos, ags, and a sigil". Which is why we don't give any items back, because someone who may have lost some rune, say they lost bandos and everything.
Maybe try beta-testing the mini-game a bit more to look for these things, then it's not a big deal? I know for sure this would've come up in testing because it happened to half the people here.
The last bug, players were not in the mini-game.
Quote from: Kevin on March 23, 2012, 10:06:01 PM
The last bug, players were not in the mini-game.
Yes I know but have people test and try other things out too? Because one thing can trigger a different thing, if you know what I mean
It's taken them nearly a year, apparently, to make the Zombie mini-game. Even if it was tested that whole time there's always gonna at least a bug when it's released.
It's not the Owners/Admins fault it's the people who abuse the bug's fault.
Why would someone intentionally abuse a bug that made them lose their items?
I wasn't referring to them, I was referring to the people who keep abusing the zombie bugs. You get what you deserve.
Quote from: Jake on March 23, 2012, 11:02:05 PM
I wasn't referring to them, I was referring to the people who keep abusing the zombie bugs. You get what you deserve.
The people that lost their items are separate from those who intentionally did so. The people who lost their items didn't deserve that.
I never said that the people who lost their items for no reason deserved it, I'm just saying the people who did get punished for doing it deserved it.
Jake, No one is talking about bug abusers whatsoever. So what you are saying has nothing to do with the subject.
I agree though, it's nobody's fault but it is a pain that we lost items that we've worked hard to achieve and for them to be taken so easily. Could there possibly be some sort of refund for players?
@Recoil, I don't think anyone would have picked up on this bug if they were intentionally trying to find something.
Edit: I was about to say what Rory just did..
Yeah, Some people have got no idea haha.
I lost 11 Berserker Rings, but they're gone now.
Kevin, I'm talking about when, on the very first day of release, when many people would go to funpk or something and die and lose their stuff. This was probably something you guys should have noticed in a year of testing this, when everyone else found it out on the day of release. And since you didn't, as long as people would have proof they had the items, why wouldn't you give them back? Don't you reckon that's a bit your guys' fault?
Quote from: TROLOLOLOLOL on March 24, 2012, 08:14:44 AM
Kevin, I'm talking about when, on the very first day of release, when many people would go to funpk or something and die and lose their stuff. This was probably something you guys should have noticed in a year of testing this, when everyone else found it out on the day of release. And since you didn't, as long as people would have proof they had the items, why wouldn't you give them back? Don't you reckon that's a bit your guys' fault?
This is what I'm trying to say.
Quote from: TROLOLOLOLOL on March 24, 2012, 08:14:44 AM
Kevin, I'm talking about when, on the very first day of release, when many people would go to funpk or something and die and lose their stuff. This was probably something you guys should have noticed in a year of testing this, when everyone else found it out on the day of release. And since you didn't, as long as people would have proof they had the items, why wouldn't you give them back? Don't you reckon that's a bit your guys' fault?
For all you know, this mini-game could have just been tested a week before the release. In blitz, there was a bug where you could farcast the chaos elemental from a certain area where it had gotten stuck. That was detected almost 1 month after the release of blitz. Does this somehow show the range of testing?
The Beta testers for Zombie Mini-Game were Ryan, Bill, Alex, Jose, Alex(Lucifur), and myself. We did extensive testing, and we fixed MANY bugs before the release of the Mini-Game. You guys expect us to release perfection every time, nothing will be perfect every-time. If you want to use RuneScape as an example, when they released Soul Wars, or Stealing Creation there was many smuggle bugs, and even a few years ago there was the dupe bug with coins, then you go a few years before that, there was a bug with the PVP Drop system, people introduced MANY items into the game that would be hard to get before that. We are not perfect, and we will never be perfect. No game has ever been perfect, and no game ever will be perfect.
Kryptonite, you say it's bad that we aren't giving items back. We had every intention on giving items back, but the first 3 or so people I asked what they lost told me the same thing, "Full Bandos, AGS, Sigil Dragon Boots". How are we supposed to return everyone's items when we don't know exactly what they lost. We are going to be adding a system to the logs that will tell us more about what items you guys have had in the past, rather then the present.
Quote from: TROLOLOLOLOL on March 24, 2012, 08:14:44 AM
Kevin, I'm talking about when, on the very first day of release, when many people would go to funpk or something and die and lose their stuff. This was probably something you guys should have noticed in a year of testing this, when everyone else found it out on the day of release. And since you didn't, as long as people would have proof they had the items, why wouldn't you give them back? Don't you reckon that's a bit your guys' fault?
Who's fault it is isn't really important. When RuneScape does their maintenance and people get stuck at say, God Wars and lose their items, does JaGeX do anything? Reason being is there are, as Kevin said, no logs to say who really lost what, and who really didn't lose anything. As for being able to provide 'proof', what proof could you have of owning an item. I could take a screenie of my bank with my gs's in it, put the godswords on another account, and say I lost them due to server lag/bug, but I could be lying. Not saying you, or anyone else would, but with an already unstable economy there is no reason to release even more instability into it.
A long time ago, when eon9 was around, no one who was killed by eon9 was returned their items. Did it irritate people? Yes. Was it the staff's fault? Somewhat, seeing as how it was Jeremy with a masked IP, but we had no idea at the time. Things happen, bugs are always coming about, and there's really nothing anyone can do about it. My advice would be to work hard and gain your items back, possibly keep your extremely valuables on a second rarely used account, and do not TRY to find bugs, or use bugs that are already known to exist and report them so they could be fixed right away. Tons of research and coding go into fixing the simplest of bugs, and it's really hard to understand that unless you're the one actually coding the server.
That's just my view on it, take it as you will.
QuoteIf you do lose items please do not demand for a refund because you will not be refunded your lost items.
The sooner you're familiar with this rule, the better. Over the years many players have lost their items due to glitches. :)
Quote from: James on March 24, 2012, 06:10:39 PM
Who's fault it is isn't really important. When RuneScape does their maintenance and people get stuck at say, God Wars and lose their items, does JaGeX do anything? Reason being is there are, as Kevin said, no logs to say who really lost what, and who really didn't lose anything.
Ok first of all, you can't compare WorldScape to RuneScape because there are so many more players on RuneScape. You think Jagex actually listens to a few people? Even a few HUNDRED people? Hell no. They only care about the community at large, and if it's a small percentage they really couldn't care less.
Quote from: James on March 24, 2012, 06:10:39 PM
As for being able to provide 'proof', what proof could you have of owning an item. I could take a screenie of my bank with my gs's in it, put the godswords on another account, and say I lost them due to server lag/bug, but I could be lying. Not saying you, or anyone else would, but with an already unstable economy there is no reason to release even more instability into it.
Faking a screenie or a video wouldn't be so easy if you showed the whole screen (including your username) now would it?
My main point is that if a bug shows up to half the population on the first day of the mini-game, then it would be pretty damn hard to miss it in beta-testing, even if it was tested for a few days, which it was said that this was worked on for a whole year.. I haven't personally lost any items. But would I be pissed? In this situation, yes, considering if they tested it for even 2 days say, before releasing it, they would've noticed it. If it was a bug picked up months later, it would be a whole different situation, and people would look at this as a simple flaw in a fun mini-game.
They tested the mini-game, not the game itself. How would they know if you died out of the mini-game you'd lose your stuff?
Quote from: Yoho on March 25, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
They tested the mini-game, not the game itself. How would they know if you died out of the mini-game you'd lose your stuff?
My point. They should've had a week or so period where they tested the game with the mini-game. Bugs don't only show up IN the new stuff you're making, you know what I mean? Add something and it triggers a bug somewhere else.
They'll learn from their mistakes. Shall we leave it at that? :)
I'm locking this topic. It is completely ridicules. You guys are going to sit there and bash us that is not ok. We spent a long time and a lot of hard work on this Mini-Game, if you guys don't like it tuff luck. You don't know how long we beta tested it, you don't know how many bugs we fixed, we didn't throw together some crappy code from a winterlove server and call it a mini-game, a lot of work went into this mini-game. Ryan spent hours apon hours working on the Zombie AI, he spent a long time, converting code to work for the NPC/Player clipping, so it would give everyone a better experience in WorldScape. If you guys can't appreciate that, maybe we should just stop doing updates.