I'm glad Zimmerman got away free and hope he get's some where safe. Trayvon Martin was classless and a arrest waiting to happen. Many of you guys will probably flip shit for me posting this. Calling me racist and what not, but I like any race but you have to have class,morals, and goals. Not act like a thug.
Don't belive me how he didn't have class read these.
http://www.rightwingnews.com/10-random-140-character-thoughts/20-trayvon-martins-tweets-that-stand-out-language-warning/
http://globalgrind.com/news/trayvon-martin-school-officials-sanford-police-george-zimmerman-photos-details?gpage=1#gtop
Funny how you link an article to "right wing news", just proves you to be a partisan douchebag.
Here's what I think. I think that the people on either side bitching about this need to get over it. The jury is in and the verdict will not change. Me personally, I think that Zimmerman killed Trayvon unjustly so. But that doesn't matter. What I think on the issue is irrelevant. The fact is our jury system works in a way that does not convict unless there is proof beyond reasonable doubt. And the jury just didn't have sufficient evidence. Like unsaid before, I believe Zimmerman is getting off the hook, but sometimes this happens in the justice system. It's the price we have to pay for having a high standard of proof.
It just bugs me that all these people are rioting over one kid instead of those troops over in afghanistan knees deep in shit.
Well there's a big difference between a suspected murder and troops who know what they're getting into when they sign up. So not really comparable in the least.
What Zimmerman did was legal, but in no way moral. As Ethan has told me, Zimmerman was on the phone with the cops and they told him not to shoot, but he decided to shoot regardless.
Quote from: D E A T H on July 14, 2013, 12:12:41 PM
you have to have class.... Not act like a thug.
Also, you seem to have no clue what you're talking about. Saying that you need class, morals, and goals to not get killed by some lunatic is completely ridiculous and, well, a rather Republican thing to say. And here, let me guess, you can't wait to vote for President Palin in 2016, right?
Okay then please tell me why you would have your hood up in Florida in the middle of Summer? Just seems stupid to have it up not unless it's cold out.
I want to start off by saying I agree with you death. It was a self defense case gone wrong, and I do believe that given the opportunity for Treyvon to be alive, we would be seeing a murder case with mr Martin as the defendant.
But, you're going about it wrong and not going for facts. Here are some facts for both sides that were not released in court:
1. Mr. Martin was Living with his father due to being suspended/ in the process of being expelled due to multiple fights in school. He was a delinquent.
2. The items that Treyvon was carrying were used in a very strong drug scissor.
3. After the verdict, in Oakland, people were flipping cars and breaking out store windows, but yet they're labeled as peaceful protests by prosecution supporters.
4. In the initial police report, Zimmerman was labeled as Hispanic. 45 days later when he corrected the police report and was labeled as Hispanic/white, he was formally charge due to African American activists pushing the chief of police.
Think about those for a little bit, and then decide for yourself if the jury made the right call.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
1. Mr. Martin was Living with his father due to being suspended/ in the process of being expelled due to multiple fights in school. He was a delinquent.
Still doesn't justify shooting him.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
2. The items that Treyvon was carrying were used in a very strong drug scissor.
Still doesn't justify shooting him.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
3. After the verdict, in Oakland, people were flipping cars and breaking out store windows, but yet they're labeled as peaceful protests by prosecution supporters.
Still doesn't justify shooting him.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
4. In the initial police report, Zimmerman was labeled as Hispanic. 45 days later when he corrected the police report and was labeled as Hispanic/white, he was formally charge due to African American activists pushing the chief of police.
Still doesn't justify shooting him.
James - All you've really proved is that the media likes to pull a race card when presenting any type of story because it gets them ratings.
D E A T H - Your brain seems to be made of mush.
Nick - I guess you could put it that way, that it wasn't moral but "legal", but it was only legal in the sense that there wasn't enough evidence against him.
Conclusion: Like I said, I think Zimmerman did what the mainstream seems to claim - that he shot Trayvon unprovoked. That was my conclusion after listening to the 911 phone call (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOpGAOXL5Uk) made by a neighbor. You could hear cries for help in the background that was undoubtedly Trayvon, because the screams stopped as soon as the shots went off (which by the way, Zimmerman was the only one armed). Also, as Nick said, I've mentioned that after Zimmerman called them, the police said NOT to go on after him. So what does he do? Ends up killing him. So my personal opinion is that Zimmerman killed him and deserves a sentence. Yet there isn't enough evidence to do that in court, as I did make a little bit of speculation there - which is NOT allowed by a jury. I highly recommend others listening to that phone call I linked to see if they came to the same conclusion that I have. Oh and yes, the Republican party has turned into the party of the mental patients since the past few decades.
Quote from: D E A T H on July 14, 2013, 01:57:27 PM
Okay then please tell me why you would have your hood up in Florida in the middle of Summer? Just seems stupid to have it up not unless it's cold out.
For swag.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
I want to start off by saying I agree with you death. It was a self defense case gone wrong, and I do believe that given the opportunity for Treyvon to be alive, we would be seeing a murder case with mr Martin as the defendant.
Okay so you think that if Trayvon hadn't been killed for essentially no reason, that Trayvon would have just killed Zimmerman? I have no idea why anyone would assume that when Martin didn't have any weapons on him. What? He's going to attack some who has a gun while he doesn't have a weapon of his own?
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
1. Mr. Martin was Living with his father due to being suspended/ in the process of being expelled due to multiple fights in school. He was a delinquent.
So you say that Zimmerman was defending himself and that it's justified, but when Martin defends himself that he's a delinquent?
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
2. The items that Treyvon was carrying were used in a very strong drug scissor.
As if Zimmerman knew that when he was killing him. As if that matters even a little bit to the case. As if that justifies killing someone. I know quite a few people on here who use drugs (including a certain owner who isn't shy about it) and you're saying that if they were killed that having drugs or drug related items would justify the killing?
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
3. After the verdict, in Oakland, people were flipping cars and breaking out store windows, but yet they're labeled as peaceful protests by prosecution supporters.
This has literally nothing to do with anything. This has nothing to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty or not. I have no idea why this is relevant in the least as to why it was the correct decision by the jury. This is the kind of pointless fact that people go to when they have nothing more to say but still want to somehow strengthen their point.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
4. In the initial police report, Zimmerman was labeled as Hispanic. 45 days later when he corrected the police report and was labeled as Hispanic/white, he was formally charge due to African American activists pushing the chief of police.
Would you mind retyping that? I can't quite grasp what you're trying to say. Not like "oh this kid is stupid, he can't even sentence good", I really don't know what you're saying and I think you forgot some words somewhere.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
Think about those for a little bit, and then decide for yourself if the jury made the right call.
I personally think that the women made the correct legal decision. They aren't supposed to judge him on his decision making (a cop actually told him not to shoot Trayvon) and they made the right choice by judging the case only on whether or not what he did was legal, though none of your points changed my mind that way -- they were ridiculous statements.
Quote from: Krest I V on July 14, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
Quote from: D E A T H on July 14, 2013, 01:57:27 PM
Okay then please tell me why you would have your hood up in Florida in the middle of Summer? Just seems stupid to have it up not unless it's cold out.
For swag.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
I want to start off by saying I agree with you death. It was a self defense case gone wrong, and I do believe that given the opportunity for Treyvon to be alive, we would be seeing a murder case with mr Martin as the defendant.
Okay so you think that if Trayvon hadn't been killed for essentially no reason, that Trayvon would have just killed Zimmerman? I have no idea why anyone would assume that when Martin didn't have any weapons on him. What? He's going to attack some who has a gun while he doesn't have a weapon of his own?
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
1. Mr. Martin was Living with his father due to being suspended/ in the process of being expelled due to multiple fights in school. He was a delinquent.
So you say that Zimmerman was defending himself and that it's justified, but when Martin defends himself that he's a delinquent?
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
2. The items that Treyvon was carrying were used in a very strong drug scissor.
As if Zimmerman knew that when he was killing him. As if that matters even a little bit to the case. As if that justifies killing someone. I know quite a few people on here who use drugs (including a certain owner who isn't shy about it) and you're saying that if they were killed that having drugs or drug related items would justify the killing?
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
3. After the verdict, in Oakland, people were flipping cars and breaking out store windows, but yet they're labeled as peaceful protests by prosecution supporters.
This has literally nothing to do with anything. This has nothing to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty or not. I have no idea why this is relevant in the least as to why it was the correct decision by the jury. This is the kind of pointless fact that people go to when they have nothing more to say but still want to somehow strengthen their point.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
4. In the initial police report, Zimmerman was labeled as Hispanic. 45 days later when he corrected the police report and was labeled as Hispanic/white, he was formally charge due to African American activists pushing the chief of police.
Would you mind retyping that? I can't quite grasp what you're trying to say. Not like "oh this kid is stupid, he can't even sentence good", I really don't know what you're saying and I think you forgot some words somewhere.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
Think about those for a little bit, and then decide for yourself if the jury made the right call.
I personally think that the women made the correct legal decision. They aren't supposed to judge him on his decision making (a cop actually told him not to shoot Trayvon) and they made the right choice by judging the case only on whether or not what he did was legal, though none of your points changed my mind that way -- they were ridiculous statements.
What you all seem to forget is the fact that when questioned as to if it was treyvons screaming, nobody could tell if it was his or zimmermans. That is made public in the police report. I was not Saying that any of the points I talked about pertained exactly to the case, it gives more of a backstory.
Oh, and what would you do if someone was pounding your skull in to the concrete? Just let it happen? I'd gladly say that if I had a gun, and was getting the shit beat out of me, if use I'd use it for self defense, just as well if I was beating the shit out of someone and they had a gun, I'd expect to get shot. It's the risk you take in carrying a fire arm.
Trayvon was beating Zimmerman senseless? Bashing his head into the concrete?
James, I already said in my post why the screams were clearly Trayvon's. Zimmerman was the only one with a gun, yes? Then why did the screams cut off right when the shots went off? Plus, Trayvon never "pounded" his head in. His head had maybe a few scratches that look synonymous to getting in a tussle with a cat.
Quote from: Binary on July 14, 2013, 04:56:34 PM
James, I already said in my post why the screams were clearly Trayvon's. Zimmerman was the only one with a gun, yes? Then why did the screams cut off right when the shots went off? Plus, Trayvon never "pounded" his head in. His head had maybe a few scratches that look synonymous to getting in a tussle with a cat.
You're missing the point still. Everyone says dont bring a gun to a knife fight. But, who actually abides by that rule? That's why America is so awesome. We have the right to protect ourselves.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: Binary on July 14, 2013, 04:56:34 PM
James, I already said in my post why the screams were clearly Trayvon's. Zimmerman was the only one with a gun, yes? Then why did the screams cut off right when the shots went off? Plus, Trayvon never "pounded" his head in. His head had maybe a few scratches that look synonymous to getting in a tussle with a cat.
You're missing the point still. Everyone says dont bring a gun to a knife fight. But, who actually abides by that rule? That's why America is so awesome. We have the right to protect ourselves.
What you don't have the right to is go up and randomly shoot and guy because he looks "suspicious". That was the whole dispute really.
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 04:58:56 PM
Everyone says dont bring a gun to a knife fight.
This is another completely pointless thing to say. This isn't a fight that they had, Trayvon and Zimmerman didn't walk into a fight. Zimmerman brought a gun when there wasn't going to be a fight and he shot a defenseless teenager dead.
Edit: As soon as I posted this I saw this meme (http://i.imgur.com/xVBkVnz.jpg) on Reddit.
Truth is, nobody knows what really happened. Zimmerman did have a gun on him, and Zimmerman did call the police. For all we know, Trayvon got scared so punched Zimmerman when he approached and then a fight insued. Zimmerman getting his head bashed in grabbed his gun and shot 1 time. I see it as self defense. There were clearly injuries on Zimmerman. And for people who are mad that he got away, it was a Jury of his peers who decided he was innocent. It wasn't 1 person, it was a group of people.
Quote from: Krest I V on July 14, 2013, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: James on July 14, 2013, 04:58:56 PM
Everyone says dont bring a gun to a knife fight.
This is another completely pointless thing to say. This isn't a fight that they had, Trayvon and Zimmerman didn't walk into a fight. Zimmerman brought a gun when there wasn't going to be a fight and he shot a defenseless teenager dead.
Edit: As soon as I posted this I saw this meme (http://i.imgur.com/xVBkVnz.jpg) on Reddit.
Considering the fact Treyvon threw the first punch, there definitely would have been a fight.
Nonetheless, you're all sexy people.
The main thing that makes me mad about this whole case is all the rioting and all the praise Martin is getting from Beyonce to the President. I live in Atlanta which is pretty much black ghetto city and blacks kill blacks every day. Nobody screams no body riots. No nothing. I don't remember when but a black man shot a baby/young child or something like that. No praise no songs written after her. Nothing just tears and sadness. A teen that played at my baseball park was recently killed for his shoes at his house. He was tied up and killed AT HIS HOUSE. The kid was 16. no rioting or no one said "Hey let's help the police catch these sickos". No nothing. The Trayvon thing is different because it was self defense not killing someone for shoes or killing a baby no it was self defense. The thing that makes the maddest is all the shit getting flipped if a white dude kills a black guy how race gets into it all of a sudden, but now if a black guy kills another black guy hey let's go through a party.
Oh, in case anyone is looking what the jury looked like, you can see them here (https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBe2As1V14ydelj&w=526&h=340&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F1005738_10151695802713290_821488913_n.jpg).
You can't follow someone with a gun and claim you've killed them by self defence. If Zimmerman obeyed the officer on the phone and didn't follow him, would the outcome be different? I think it would and that's why I believe Zimmerman should be held liable for Martin's death.
Lol@topic. There's bigger issues than this now. The decision has already been made, and there's no changing it now. This arguing about it will do absolutely nothing. People die every day, and this one is only a big deal because the kid was black, so it's apparently a racial thing.
Oscar is Zimmerman :o
Quote from: wolf on July 20, 2013, 02:41:36 AM
Oscar is Zimmerman :o
Killed Ethan and got away with it.
Stay on-topic guys. Any other chat can be taken to PM.
Thank you.